Friday 247Sports.com Oregon football reporter Matt Prehm broke the news that one of the current Oregon football staffers who worked directly with Houston-based recruiting service operator Willie Lyles had been fired.
Lyles is currently at the center of a wide-ranging NCAA investigation into the Oregon football program’s recruiting methods.
From Prehm’s report:
Multiple sources close to the Oregon football program tell DuckTerritory.com that Assistant Director of Football Operations Josh Gibson is believed to be no longer working in the football office. It is unclear if Gibson has been fired, if he resigned or if he has been reassigned.
Multiple messages left on Gibson’s cell phone have not been returned.
When contacted by phone .. Oregon spokesman Dave Williford said. “I can’t confirm or deny that. Because that wasn’t something I was aware of.”
Oregon recently confirmed Kelly’s football program received spreadsheets containing names and phone numbers of high school football recruits from Lyles - on March 3.
Names and phone numbers Lyles told Yahoo last week were a result of Kelly and Oregon “scrambling” to account for their $25,000 payment to him 11+ months earlier.
Later, the Ken Goe of the PORTLAND OREGONIAN reported of Gibson’s job status:
“No,” UO spokesman Dave Williford told me Friday morning. “It’s not true. Nothing has changed.”
Williford said he went straight to UO athletic director Rob Mullens before commenting on Gibson’s status.
Willford said members of the football staff, including Gibson, currently are on vacation, but that Mullens said Gibson’s status in the football office remains unchanged.
“Rob was very emphatic,” Williford said.
With recently released documents showning interaction between Gibson and Lyles, along with on-the-record comments from Lyles to Yahoo Sports about Gibson’s role in the Ducks “scrambling” to obtain outdated recruiting documents from Lyles to account for UO’s $25,000 payment, it isn’t unreasonable to view a future Gibson ouster as UO scapegoating a low-level staffer for what may have been a blatant coverup attempt.
Until today, questions remained about just how involved Oregon head football coach Chip Kelly was in that possible coverup. But thanks to an appearance by Lyles on Houston radio Sunday, anyone wondering if Kelly was directly involved in obtained recruiting documents from Lyles 11 months and three weeks after the coach authorized a $25,000 payment to the Houston recruiting service operator, they aren’t now.
Appearing on Craig Shelton’s KCOH-AM radio show in Houston Sunday, Lyles confirmed that he dealt directly with Kelly during what appeared to be Oregon’s revisionist acquisition of recruiting materials from Lyles.
Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“
Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”
Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”
Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”
On July 1, John Canzano of the PORTLAND OREGONIAN reported that Kelly claimed to not know “Willie Lyles” when the longtime Portland columnist first asked the Oregon Coach about his association with Lyles:
I spoke with University of Oregon football coach Chip Kelly in early March, amid reports that a Texas man named Willie Lyles was involved in a recruiting scandal that could bring down the Ducks program.
Kelly told me he didn’t know who Willie Lyles was.
I believed him.
That same evening, a Yahoo Sports story reported that Lyles was paid $25,000 by Oregon. So I texted Kelly, asking him why he lied to me, and we ended up on the telephone, where Kelly insisted I’d confused him by asking about “Willie Lyles.” He said, “around here, we call him ‘Will.’
“We’ve already distanced ourselves from him, trust me.”
We’ll soon know for certain if Kelly indeed had “already distanced” himself from Lyles when he made the claim to the Portland columnist and radio talkshow host in early March, thanks to pending media requests of Kelly’s public phone, email and text records.
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8:15 pm on July 10th, 2011
what rule did Oregon break?
anyone?
8:22 pm on July 10th, 2011
You cannot be serious… How in any way does “I spoke with him, and we did discuss it” confirm that he dealt directly with Kelly? And how can anything coming out of this guys mouth be taken seriously? This clown would never serve as a credible witness in a court of law… I truly hope the ducks, Kelly et. all go after all of you guys with defamation of character suites once this is all over. I know it must be tough to come up with stories during the off season, but come on this is getting truly ridiculous.
8:37 pm on July 10th, 2011
You keep pumping out the info there Brooks. Good work. It’s slowley forming a bigger picture and an understanding of how it all works.
8:58 pm on July 10th, 2011
And I hope once Oregon gets smashed with violations you all cOme back here and apologize to all the columnists who did their job and in covered this cheating program.
10:42 pm on July 10th, 2011
Why don’t these “columnists” do a little more then and follow the paper trail to the source that leaked this “story.” 50 bucks says that this was leaked by Texas after their AD asked Mac how the lowly Oregon Ducks made it to the national chamoionship (with 5 star Texans on their sideline) while UT proceeded to have one of the most embarrassing seasons I have ever seen from any program. They lost to UCLA, enough said.
11:07 pm on July 10th, 2011
Frankdogg - Dan Wetzel of Yahoo and The Oregonian have both checked Lyles story out with records now public of communications and the both said they couldn’t disprove anything he said. All the records supported it. Wetzel said something along the lines of “We tried everything possible to disprove things he said but all the documentation supported it.”
You might want to ask how anything coming from Kelly’s mouth be taken seriously. There are already a few instances of facts going against his on the record comments.
11:23 pm on July 10th, 2011
Those of us that have been in athletic departments of bcs schools appreciate people that are after the truth! Thank you yahoo sports and thank you brooks! I am tired of the lack of integrity in college sports when there are some very good examples out there not cheating. Keep bringing them down. Lets see if the crappy ncaa will finally do something to these cheaters.
12:00 am on July 11th, 2011
UndercoverBoss-Wetzel and Robinson have both said multiple times that they aren’t ever sure Oregon (or any school connected to Lyles) broke a rule. I think ‘murky’ ‘new’ unique’ and ‘nebulous’ are the key words each of them point out in their interviews. It’s an interesting story, no doubt, but if they aren’t sure rules were broken, I’m not sure any of us can be.
1:29 am on July 11th, 2011
How is asking for documents a coverup? Hell, he’d probably been on Willies case for a long time wondering where they hell that stuff was.
It’s not good to procrastinate Willie. We all know you’re pissed they won’t pay you another 25k because of the crap you pawned off on them.
1:30 am on July 11th, 2011
Phone records don’t show what they talked about, now do they?
1:35 am on July 11th, 2011
Wow did this article have nothing to do with its title or what?
I mean I know you are absurdly desperate for clicks but come on, this is just silly.
People jealous of Oregon’s success should get their backhanded snide comments in now, by the way, you wont get many more chances.
Go ahead and point to the rule Oregon is breaking in this situation, and tell me that you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty of breaking said rule, and I will point to a person being incredibly disingenuous.
NOTHING has surfaced that gives any shred of proof in this case, its just the dumbass media creating the tried and true shitshstorm over nothing.
1:59 am on July 11th, 2011
Rod, look at the NCAA definition of “booster” I think there is substantial evidence that lyles can easily be classified as a booster if NCAA wants him to be. Duck fans have been in denial since this thing broke. And I completely understand, I don’t know what I’d do if my team was also being accuses of being led by a liar and my program endorsed cheating and was facing possible sanctions, making future CFB seasons worthless to follow.
Anyways, I enjoy the new findings each day on this situation, great summer news! Go get em Brooks!
3:40 am on July 11th, 2011
“Go ahead and point to the rule Oregon is breaking in this situation, and tell me that you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty of breaking said rule, and I will point to a person being incredibly disingenuous.”
Here you go:
(NCAA bylaw 13.02.14) “Representative of the institution’s athletics interests” :
An individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s executive or athletics administration to:
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;
Lyles admits to assisting in the recruitment of Seastrunk, and was even counseled by Josh Gibson and Bill Cleaver on how to circumvent his mom from signing the LOI, in lieu of his grandmother being the legal signatory.
4:06 am on July 11th, 2011
Frank Dog:
All the below are NCCA rules:
(1) All player evaluations provided by an Independent recruiting service MUST be written. The school MAY NOT received verbal evaluations from a recruiting service. Oregon coaches made over 400 phone calls to Lyles and another 400 text messages. The only information they got was verbal (until the last minute scramble to put together a fake recruiting package….a strong indication of guilt.)
(2) Anyone assisting in recruiting players is considered a “booster” and boosters are prohibited from contacting or even talking to prospective recruits (Lyles visited numerous high schools with Oregon coach Campbell and intervened to help Oregon with several recruiting problems) Recruiting is limited to the 9 coaches Oregon is allowed.
(3) Lyles “recruiting” service did not meet even the minimum standards and failed to post prices and provide the same materials at the same prices to all schools. (That’s why verbal information is prohibited) He had no recruiting packages to sell and didn’t until nearly a year after he was paid…and that was just a fake package.
(4) Oregon requested written information of any type only on the eve of the Yahoo story after Yahoo had contacted Oregon for comment. The information provided was NOT a recruiting package, but rather a bunch of old information cut and pasted in haste to aid Oregon in deceiving the NCAA.
(5) Oregon paid for influence and access to players. Lyles so stated and the phone calls back that up. Ironically, Lyles says Oregon paid for influence and Lyles further says he didn’t influence players to go to Oregon. That’s a real hoot; but I understand him wanting to protect the players eligibility…even now. The whole point of paying Lyles was to influence the kids to go to Oregon….it sure wasn’t the written recruiting package sent nearly a year later that contained no recruiting information. Recruiting information would be information on potential recruits….none of the players in the written package was a current recruit… none were eligible to go to Oregon.
4:19 am on July 11th, 2011
“Go ahead and point to the rule Oregon is breaking in this situation, and tell me that you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty of breaking said rule, and I will point to a person being incredibly disingenuous.” Rod
Just where did you get the notion the rules of criminal law apply? Here a little education for you. They don’t. The NCAA uses the same or similar standard to civil law, i.e. preponderance of the evidence. It only has to be more likely that not that Oregon committed violations; and not the higher standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
The NCAA can’t send folks to jail and they have no subpoena power which is why they must be reliant on member school to be truthful and why they come down hard on those that are not.
Chip Kelly must sign a “Certificate of Compliance” by Sept 15th. Jim Tressell knew of violations and signed one anyway. He’s gone for lying to the NCAA (by signing the form certifying no known violations.) Virtually all coaches who have signed this form and were found to have known about or committed violations have been fired. It’s in their standard employment contract. They must sign the form or report violations So what do you think Kelly is going to do?
7:22 am on July 11th, 2011
“50 bucks says that this was leaked by Texas after their AD asked Mac how the lowly Oregon Ducks made it to the national chamoionship (with 5 star Texans on their sideline) while UT proceeded to have one of the most embarrassing seasons I have ever seen from any program. ”
Bro, Texas coaches have been calling Will Lyles a street agent for YEARS. Lyles is new to you but he has been a known bad guy in the state of Texas for the better part of a decade. How does the Univ of Texas conspiracy work in your mind? How did Texas get Chip Kelly to lie to reporters? How did Texas get Oregon to pay 25K for $100.00 worth of info?
8:58 am on July 11th, 2011
Lyles said in a radio interview and in a newspaper interview last week that he has never tried to influence any recruit in his choice of a college. Never. Of course, he said that after he said that Oregon paid him to do just that. Lyles has no credibility, unless, of course, you want him to and thus pick and choose which of his answers to believe. This is all payback to Oregon because Oregon severed its ties with him and because the school responded to a public records request by releasing information showing the shoddy nature of Lyles’ work. It’s July. Sportswriters have little to write about, so they choose some statements by Lyles but not others and keep flogging and flogging.
9:15 am on July 11th, 2011
Great report Brooks. It is intuitively obvious to everyone but the most diehard duck fan that Chip Kelly was directly involved in Oregon’s pay for players scheme and also in the coverup. By having the head coach and asst. dir. of fb operations (and quite possibly Nike as well - shoes for players) both directly invovled, Oregon is making the football staffs at USC, Ohio State, North Carolina, etc. all like like choir boys by comparison. If ever there were a reason to reinstitute the death penaltly in college sports, this is it!
9:21 am on July 11th, 2011
First of all, the headline is misleading, no doubt about it. There is still no evidence, other than what everyone is reading into Lyles’ comments, that there was a ‘coverup’. Lyles said Oregon “appeared to be scrambling”. The media are the ones who’ve taken that to mean a potential ‘coverup’. Lyles never said the word coverup. We don’t know what Oregon told the NCAA, so until we do, all of that is pure conjecture.
Also, you need to really, really read between the lines with what Lyles says. He’s great at ’saying’ something, but not really saying it.
Look at what he said about the Air Jordans and Seastrunk. In an interview he said Seastrunk was an Air Jordan nut, and when he visited Oregon, “they had a pair there for him, one of only two pairs ever made”. So everyone starts writing about how Oregon gave Seastrunk a $200 pair of special Nike’s, and how Phil Knight was involved, how it would be a recruiting violation, etc. They even discussed it on ESPN. Then people off the record denied it happened, and Willie tweeted that Oregon had them there on display at the school, and that he never told anyone that they actually GAVE Seastrunk the shoes. Slimy, huh? He knew exactly what he was saying and what would happen, and he played the media like chumps. Now he’s doing it again.
“Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“
Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.” (note he doesn’t say ‘yes’, he just says he spoke to Chip. Doesn’t say what they talked about.)
Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”
Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.” (they discussed ‘the ‘entire deal’, what exactly is that? He’s still not saying ‘yes, Kelly was involved in the request for documents’)
This is how Lyles thinks and acts, and why you really need to read between the lines:
“When you talk to people, you can word things how you want to word them and they can seem different than what they normally are. You can just change it up and make it sound like it wasn’t as bad as it really was.”
Willie Lyles – on 1080 The Fan with Isaac and Big Suke
9:45 am on July 11th, 2011
Here we go again!!! The fans of a cheating school being indignant and defending their corrupt program. Oregon will eventually suffer the same fate as Tennessee and Ohio State … their beloved coach will be proven a liar and a cheat and will be fired before it’s all said and done. So Ducks, don’t continue to embarrass yourselves with your silly little denials … you cheated, you were caught, you’re going to pay … save yourself a lot of agony and just accept it, eliminate the corruption, hire integrity and move on with your lives.
10:48 am on July 11th, 2011
@undercoverboss-
Clearly you aren’t from Oregon, the Oregonian is a joke, closer to TMZ than a credible news source, and regarding yahoo sports? They wrote an article back in March on Lyles that didn’t make him out to be very credible (and now have completely flip flopped)…. and if he’s so honest, why wasn’t he more up front when this story broke months ago during the initial round of interviews and stories?
11:05 am on July 11th, 2011
Here is the thing Duck fans….Lyles can tell the NCAA whatever he wants, and he has evidence to back up what he says. If Text messages or phone calls have him talking with Chip Kelly at 3:04 PM on February 5th and Lyles says during that conversation he and Kelly talked about $ or getting Lache to Oregon, then the NCAA will go to Chip Kelly and ask him what that conversation was about, if both sides conflict then NCAA will go back to Lyles and ask him if he can prove the conversation was about that and there you have Lyles providing further evidence with a personal Thank You card from Chip Kelly and other material. NCAA will then go back and ask Chip what he has to prove his statements and he won’t have any tangible evidence.
I swear the sunglasses worn in Oregon must be so dark you aren’t able to read a computer screen.
I also wouldn’t doubt Oregon has upset the NCAA just a bit because the NCAA was already in Eugene earlier investigating this issue, and they came up with nothing, then the July 1st story broke and NCAA has to re-investigate and it makes them look like they did a terrible job and Oregon got away with something. Keep trying to fight the NCAA Oregon and the punishment will be even more severe because they won’t want to look like fools. Your arrogant ways is going to finally catch up with you.
11:20 am on July 11th, 2011
DON P; what pay for play, did Seastrunk receive any money?? Did LMJ receive any money? And Lyles is a booster?, is he a booster for Cal and LSU? This all falls in a grey area that the NCAA has to clean up. But get over it, it’s a minor violation if its anything
12:05 pm on July 11th, 2011
Wouldn’t Oregon, at the very least, be hit with lack of institutional control?
12:19 pm on July 11th, 2011
The only thing that concerns me is that the NCAA already did an investigation on this issue back in March and apparently came up with nothing. Yet, after July 1st there seems to be so much evidence out there that something has to stick as a violation. Did the NCAA just that do THAT poor of a job back in March? If you talk with Lyles for 6 hrs how in the heck do you not come up with SOMETHING?
After all of this it appears Oregon clearly cheated to get a competitive edge, therefore they should get punished for it. They also appear like they are thumbing their nose up at the NCAA with all of this.
12:24 pm on July 11th, 2011
Dear Duck fans; and others as bemused by the Duck excuses as I.
The following will show you the Certificate of Compliance signed by Jim Tressel last Sept 13th…two days before the NCAA deadline. This is the document that amounted to “lying” to the NCAA and brought about his firing. Chip Kelly has, as I mentioned, in a previous post, until Sept 15, 2011 to sign his.
sportsbybrooks.com/scarlet-letter-the-doc-that-doomed-osus-tressel-29672
You’ll just have to copy and paste. I haven’t bothered to learn how to “link.” I’m old and would rather be playing golf but I haven’t laughed so hard in years. Thanks, I guess, to the low-witted Duck fans and their humorous attempts at rationalizing “cheating.”
PS: I’m being quoted elsewhere so I thought I’d provide a little evidence…though I first found the compliance letter date on an NCAA website.
12:49 pm on July 11th, 2011
Oregon fans - isn’t it clear ,if nothing else, Will Lyles if nothing else; acted as an agent for the UofO. By aiding in the transfer of LaMichael James to a high school in Arkansas to avoid taking a math test. And by doing the foot work for Lache Seastrunk to get his grandmother to sign his LOI. These two items alone should make him an agent of the UofO.
Not sure of NCAA regs - let you rules nuts sort that out.
If nothing else - Masoli, Kiki, Cliffie, plus many others might lead to ‘lack of institutional control. Prepare for the hammer.
12:53 pm on July 11th, 2011
LOL. Samurhino you honestly believe ANYTHING the Oregon athletic department tells you right now? Or you so call “hear” from the Oregon AD? They already lied to the public about knowing Lyles, and they just lied to everyone saying nothing has happend to Johs Gibson when it has been said by numerous inside sources that he has been indeed relieved of his duties. This thing is far from over, because MY sources are saying there is more to uncover about violations that are unrelated to Willie Lyles and focused more on a certain Oregon booster and a recruit. So we shall see what happens next.
1:03 pm on July 11th, 2011
WOW there are some sour grapes here. Crazy how jealous people are out there. Theres no way any of you duck haters can justify your jealousy, its almost sickening. Go get a life and stop trying to post rules and reasons hahahaha, if you knew anything you wouldn’t be on sports by brooks. hahahahaha
1:12 pm on July 11th, 2011
Non-story. UofO will be announcing soon that the NCAA has determined no rules were broken and no sanctions will be imposed. This from numerous high level indivuals in the Oregon AD.
As numerous Duck fans have been saying all along the supposed evidence has been a lot of conjecture and theory with little to no fact backing it up.
Lyles has been both a scumback no one should believe and the gospel truth depending on what theory any particular “journalist” was putting forth.
Oregon didn’t break any NCAA rules and complied from the get go with the initial inquiry.
My guess is that the NCAA will be rewriting the rulebook to make this whole area a lot more black and white.
1:19 pm on July 11th, 2011
It is interesting to see the denial in the fans as each of the football factories is outed for the pretension that they are not buying their pro athletes.
You Ducks are no different than the War Eagle, Trojans, Tar Heels, Buckeyes, Gators, Horns, Noles - we all have so much emotional energy invested in our team, that we cannot fathom that our deal old Hometown U is not the paragon of all that is righteous and good.
The sad facts for all of are that most NCAA Football Factory Powerhouses are not on the up and up.
We are paying margin students to come and help us chase BCS $$$$.
I feel your pain Duckies!
Keep Choppin! Keep Believin!
1:50 pm on July 11th, 2011
That’s great bobby.
So the NCAA has looked into it and determined Oregon didn’t break any rules…so…what else have you got?
1:57 pm on July 11th, 2011
No one credible is saying the UofO AD lied. You can keep regurgitating the hearsay and conjecture but it doesn’t make it true just by repeating it more and more.
I’m telling you the UofO will get no sanctions. You can choose not to believe that but it will come out very soon.
Sorry to disappoint you.
2:14 pm on July 11th, 2011
Hahahahahaha…..jealous of oregon!! For what!?
The decades of powerhouse football? No, that cant be…hmmmm
maybe its all the rose bowls theyve won…..nope, cant be that.
The multiple national titles? Crap, thats not it either!
Boy im stumped!
3:01 pm on July 11th, 2011
Kelly sealed his fate by sending his hand written Thank You letter to Lyles.
4:06 pm on July 11th, 2011
Any whOregon fan that references jealously in their response to any of these allegations instantly loose all credibility.
The Yucks have won NOTHING. No Rose Bowl’s, no national championships, nothing! Until you actually win something, please refrain from using “jealously” as a scapegoat for why people don’t like you.
Instead, why don’t you just tell the truth. People don’t like whOregon because they are famous for no reason. Just like Paris Hilton, the Kardashians, and lottery winners. You have no tradition to speak of…other than losing for the better part of a century. I actually feel bad for some of the older Oregon graduates that actually have perspective on all this. It’s all these whOregon circle jerks that are younger than 30 that are giving this fan base/school a bad name. Well, Will/Willie Lyles and Chiporcrit Kelly have something to do with that as well.
4:40 pm on July 11th, 2011
What if Oregon had consistently been requesting materials from Lyles since Feb 2010? And the check was issued without admin people checking to make sure the material was received (ended up be a retainer)? And maybe some is getting fired based on that screwup. And in fact there was no scramble, but another request that resulted in Lyles sending outdated material because he is a horribly incompatent businessman? And at that point Oregon refused to submit a second yearly payment as agreed and ended the relationship even though he sent them. a 2011 followup package. The fact is Lyles worked for an accredited scouting service and appeared to qualified to start his own business. Let;s wait to hear what Oregon has to say. Willie has had his say.
5:14 pm on July 11th, 2011
1917 (obviously a Husky that listens to Softy too much). We’ve won two straight Pac 10 championships and the equivalent of the Rose Bowl (as Pac 10 champ we won the Fiesta Bowl in 2001). Shared won in 2001 (after bearing the Dogs). 7 straight losses to your rival must really sting. Live in the present.
5:15 pm on July 11th, 2011
Tell you what Oregon fans who don’t believe they will get sanctions (major) on this…I have a PayPal account and will gladly lay a friendly wager with anyone who thinks they will get off. So put your $$’s where your mouth is…Oregon is going down BIG time for all of this.
5:37 pm on July 11th, 2011
Chip Kelly is a lying, arrogant, cheater. And a gigantic POS. Can’t wait to see his face crying on the news soon. Your whole program is a sham Chip.
6:05 pm on July 11th, 2011
More on Oregon to come. This is just the beggining.
6:20 pm on July 11th, 2011
Wow, the Duck denial is strong and deep. Just makes that slap in the face sting more when the inevitable happens.
9:22 am on July 12th, 2011
“1917 (obviously a Husky that listens to Softy too much). We’ve won two straight Pac 10 championships and the equivalent of the Rose Bowl (as Pac 10 champ we won the Fiesta Bowl in 2001). Shared won in 2001 (after bearing the Dogs). 7 straight losses to your rival must really sting. Live in the present.”
This is a joke, right? It was 1917. There is no “equivalent of the Rose Bowl.” I think the Husky fans can point to winning the Rose Bowl, the real one, that year against Drew Bree’s Purdue team. I agree that Oregon is a great regular season team, but have not made the next step. Sort of like the Dallas Cowboys of modern era, without the tradition of course. While my Husky friends are a little irritated with the last 7 years (Ty Willingham can do that to a team), I think most of them aren’t worried about Oregon in the long term. Especially after they get hammered by the NCAA.
11:31 pm on July 13th, 2011
How can Lyles be classified as a “booster” acting solely on Oregon’s behalf when he accepted payments from Cal and LSU?
11:44 pm on July 13th, 2011
UW has Rose Bowls in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s & 00’s…. not the eqivalent of, but actual trophy’s for.
And oregon has? uhhhhhhh, we’re waiting!